tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post8224970834710823352..comments2023-10-26T06:25:46.739-05:00Comments on Does Not Wisdom Call?: A particular form of joyEllie Finlayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05807252889442220449noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-46699329410063528672012-12-20T07:01:57.554-06:002012-12-20T07:01:57.554-06:00Hello, Kimberly. I'm delighted to hear from yo...Hello, Kimberly. I'm delighted to hear from you. (No matter that this was posted a while back.)<br /><br />I'm really glad you like the image. I was particularly pleased at having found it. And, as you can see, the concept spelled out above generated a lot of reflection by several people.<br /><br />I hope you will come back and visit again. I have to confess that I've been neglecting this blog of late but I really want to rally myself and get back to it consistently!Ellie Finlayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05807252889442220449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-50141700402273489582012-12-20T06:52:44.102-06:002012-12-20T06:52:44.102-06:00I know this post was written a long time ago, but ...I know this post was written a long time ago, but I've just found it. Thank you -- it's a beautiful image and idea. (both the painting and the word)Kimberlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02038360974343451842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-40823970435262029022011-07-10T18:23:13.444-05:002011-07-10T18:23:13.444-05:00Folks, do click through to Kara Rane's website...Folks, do click through to <a href="http://www.kararane.com/" rel="nofollow">Kara Rane's website</a> (Kara left the first comment on this post) to see her absolutely gorgeous art work.Ellie Finlayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05807252889442220449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-24848550171440556662011-07-07T22:17:19.873-05:002011-07-07T22:17:19.873-05:00Yes, you are right. Certainly piling guilt on our...Yes, you are right. Certainly piling guilt on ourselves because our inner thoughts are not what they ideally should be is counter productive. We have to accept our imperfections. And when it is a matter of rejoicing with someone else when we're really a bit envious I think putting up a good front isn't a bad thing - especially when we do it for the other person's sake. <br /><br />Sorry Mad Priest. I just didn't see where that was coming from.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04473370349253059961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-65709126228609737132011-07-07T20:55:23.389-05:002011-07-07T20:55:23.389-05:00Yes, Tom, I would agree that they are different is...Yes, Tom, I would agree that they are different issues. However, they often tend to be connected rather strongly because of the tendency some well-meaning folks have to try to talk people who are suffering out of their feelings - rarely if ever a good idea. I happen to know that MadPriest has been subjected to that rather a lot lately.<br /><br />Basically, I guess I'd like to chime in that I really like the Yiddish word here and the Sanskrit word as well. I'd assert that they are helpful to the extent that we use the principle to encourage ourselves to cultivate the willingness and ability to celebrate with people but not to fault ourselves when we're struggling with difficult or painful feelings.<br /><br />Does that make sense?Ellie Finlayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05807252889442220449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-31295382686885285852011-07-07T20:37:25.446-05:002011-07-07T20:37:25.446-05:00Mad Priest -"To expect a person with cancer t...Mad Priest -"To expect a person with cancer to feel better about their situation because a person who has entered remission hasn't got a job seems wrong to me."<br /><br />I don't see how that statement applies to anything. I thought the issue was the tendency to feel bad when others have a reason to be happy that we don't have, not to feel good that someone else is having a rough time because we are also having a rough time. The two views are different in my mind. I do sometimes feel envy instead of happiness when another person has good news and I don't. But it is not normal for me to feel good because someone else has no job because I've just suffered a tragic event in my life. I don't think I heard that from anyone.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04473370349253059961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-2921338599911228122011-07-07T20:36:38.873-05:002011-07-07T20:36:38.873-05:00Annie's comment reminds me of the old saying, ...Annie's comment reminds me of the old saying, "Don't judge your insides by other people's outsides." I do think there's a lot to be said for that. <br /><br />I also am personally (painfully) aware of just how triggers can work. And so, I would agree that it's certainly true that a negative reaction to another's good fortune isn't always envy. Sometimes it's just that a particularly raw place has been touched.<br /><br />I do think the old "comparisons are odious" maxim can be helpful.Ellie Finlayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05807252889442220449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-69888071647278566352011-07-07T10:16:48.782-05:002011-07-07T10:16:48.782-05:00I don't like that, anonymous. I think that'...I don't like that, anonymous. I think that's one of the reasons the poor stay poor and the oppressed stay oppressed. Envy may be a sin but anger at ones unfair position in life is not, in my opinion. Progress is usually achieved through owned dissatisfaction. In any case I'm referring to a specific situation. A person whose main suffering is due to having cancer may be reminded of it when she hears about another cancer patient going into remission. But that same person won't have the same reaction if she hears that somebody has got a job. To expect a person with cancer to feel better about their situation because a person who has entered remission hasn't got a job seems wrong to me.MadPriesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120376342802143188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-10279482479328844102011-07-07T09:57:35.991-05:002011-07-07T09:57:35.991-05:00Yes, Mad Priest...I too sometimes feel a bit sorr...Yes, Mad Priest...I too sometimes feel a bit sorry for myself when I compare myself to what I perceive to be others' good fortune...but then I try to remember that, they too, most likely have their own suffering going on. Then I "change the subject" in my head!<br /><br />cheerio,<br />annie cAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-57663920744514980422011-07-07T06:51:01.884-05:002011-07-07T06:51:01.884-05:00Yes. This is my number one problem in life at this...Yes. This is my number one problem in life at this moment in time, especially as I belong to such a large blogging and Facebook community. But I would suggest that the negative reaction to another's good news is not always envy. I personally find it a reminder of the bad news I live with and so my sin is one of wallowing in misery rather than jealousy.MadPriesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120376342802143188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-72272131483742466782011-07-06T22:33:16.566-05:002011-07-06T22:33:16.566-05:00It's a great concept. And I know how difficul...It's a great concept. And I know how difficult it is. Some can piggy back on the joy of others by making about themselves. But the person who takes pleasure in all others to express their happiness or success is a person who is truly comfortable with his or herself, and such people are not plentiful. I don't think I'm all that good at it myself. But I appreciate those that are.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04473370349253059961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23020024246126389.post-12144703873949867142011-07-06T20:21:41.078-05:002011-07-06T20:21:41.078-05:00thank You Ellie *
You have such a generous open s...thank You Ellie * <br />You have such a generous open spirit in sharing all spiritual practices.kara ranehttp://www.kararane.comnoreply@blogger.com